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February 2008
An oddly marked bullet or
two........
The grooved lead bullets on these two cartridges that I recently
bought in a collection of British cartridges caught my attention because
of the single slightly angled lengthwise groove that each exhibits. The
one on the left is a .450-3 1/4" black powder express headstamped
HOLLAND . 450 . loaded with a copper tubed express bullet; on the
right is a .500/.450 No 1 Express by Eley with a wood pegged hollow point
bullet. I recalled seeing a cartridge with a similarly marked bullet
several years earlier, which I had assumed was reload with a damaged
bullet. Finding these two in different calibers with matching marks lead
me to believe the marks were not random, but had been applied to the
bullets with a purpose in mind. A quick look through George Hoyem's volume
3 of The History and Development of Small Arms Ammunition yielded two more
cartridges with these bullets, this one a .500-3 1/4" headstamped 'HOLLAND
& HOLLAND . '500 .' on page 64, and another on page 65, a .500-3 1/4"
loaded for Holland & Holland by Eley Brothers with the Eley headstamp.
Unfortunately, Hoyem makes no mention of the lengthwise marks in the text,
but does say that these lead bullets with the multiple lubricating grooves
on the exposed portion of the bullet were preferred by Holland &
Holland at one time. After posting a question on the International
Ammunition Association's cartridge collector discussion forum, which
resulted in a couple more of these bullets tuning up in other collections,
I was rewarded with what appears to be a probable purpose for the
lengthwise grooves in a response from Pete DeCoux. He says it is believed
that the purpose of the groove was to allow air to escape when these
heavily lubricated bullets were
seated in their cases. Sounds good to me. If anyone has ever seen anything
in print from Holland & Holland or from any other company regarding
the lengthwise bullet grooves, please let me know.
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An uncommon headstamp......?????
Here's one that surprised me. There was a discussion on the
International Ammunition Association Cartridge Forum recently regarding a
Federal Cartridge Company .45 Colt cartridge with a dash between the
'F' and 'C' in the headstamp. I don't pay much attention to the modern
headstamps, although my interpretation of 'modern' remains stuck around
the mid-1950s. Rummaging around in my 5 gallon reject (empty or damaged
cases, or too common to be of interest) bucket turned one of these up,
surprisingly, which I have pictured here next to the standard headstamp.
An opinion expressed on the forum was that the dash indicates that the
cartridge case was made by some other company for Federal, and that it was
quite rare. I'm clueless regarding this, so any information to support or
refute this opinion would be appreciated.
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.32 Colt New Police mid-range
cartridges....

The Smith & Wesson .32-44 and .38-44 target cartridges are the
usual American sporting pistol cartridges that come to mind when the topic
of factory loads with deep seated grooved lead bullets comes up. One not
often considered is the .32 Colt New Police mid range cartridge. In my
collection, I have examples that were produced by three companies,
including Winchester, Western and UMC, as seen in this picture. These will
also be found with the REM-UMC headstamp, as they were listed in a number
of their catalogs, but somehow I've managed not to find one. The low
cannelure is a sure indication that these are original loads, but, as can
be seen by the Peters example in the picture, not all can be counted on to
have the cannelure. I suspect this one without the cannelure is a black
powder or semi-smokless load. The two Western examples differ in their
mouths, one of which shows an pronounced taper crimp. The two WRA Co
examples have different cannelures, with the second being much deeper and
wider than the first, and with squared edges. Other cartridges that will
be found with deep seated grooved lead bullets include the .32 Merwin
& Hulbert long, the .38 Smith & Wesson Special, and the .44 Smith
& Wesson Russian.
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