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An early 7.62 x 54R Russian blank........
Here's a cartridge
you don't see every day; I had actually never seen one, other than in
pictures, prior to receiving
several from a friend in Moscow. It is a paper bullet blank that was intended for recruit training and ceremonial
salutes. These were loaded
using reclaimed cases, and for the one pictured here, it was indeed an early
case that was used, having been made in the third trimester of 1891, the
year the Mosin-Nagant rifle was adopted by the Russians. This cartridge
was one of a group that were found in a bog near Kronstadt, a Russian Naval
port on Kotlin Island in the Gulf of Finland, about 30 kilometers west of
St. Petersburg, Russia. The cases have blackened over time, but
otherwise they are in good condition; even the paper bullets are pretty much
intact. All of the cartridges had cases dating from 1891 and 1892 and all
were of the early style which had a cone shaped bullet; the bullets on later
examples have a more rounded appearance. In addition to the year of production shown at the 12 o'clock position in
the headstamp, the trimester of production (in this case the third) is shown
at the bottom. The symbol on the left is the Cyrillic P, which identifies
the manufacturer of the cartridge, Petersburg Patronny Zavod. The P on the
right is the Cyrillic R and identifies the source of the brass used in the
case.
The headstamps on the other blank cartridges I received are shown below

This one was also made at Petersburg using the same brass supplier (P) as
the one above, but made in the second trimester of 1892.
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Made at Petersburg in the first trimester of 1892, this one uses brass
supplied by another maker identified by the letter K. If anyone knows who
any of these brass makers were, I'd appreciate hearing from them.
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Produced in the third trimester of 1892 using brass from the same
supplier (P) as the first two examples, the maker of this case is not known.
The maker's identification, perhaps a variation of the Greek letter 'phi'
which is the Cyrillic letter for F.
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The 11.6 (or 11.7) x 40R Danish
cartridge.....
 The
11.7 x 40R Danish is an unusual cartridge, considering that it was developed
years after the rifle it was intended for had already been deemed obsolete
two times. The Remington rolling block rifle and carbine were adopted by
Denmark in 1867. These were initially chambered for the 11.7 x 42R rim fire
cartridge. In 1889 the Krag-Jorgensen bolt action rifle using the 8 x 58R
cartridge was adopted by the Danish army. In 1896 the Remington rifles were
retired from army service, converted to use the 11.7 x 51.6R center fire
cartridge, and reissued to coastal artillery units. These were deemed
obsolete in 1919. Many of these rifles were sent to Greenland in the 1950s
where they were used for hunting. The 11.7 x 51.6R cartridges were no longer
in production at this time, and a suitable cartridge for the rifles was produced by cutting
the 8 x 58R Krag case just below the shoulder, producing a case measuring
about 40mm long. The Remington rifles continued to be used into the 1960s.
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The labeling on the box translates to: 20 rifle cartridges 11.6 x 40 lead
bullet, non-corrosive priming; progressive (smokeless) powder
for model 67 rifle
Danish Ammunition Factory, Otterup
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The cartridges from the box shown above have headstamp dates ranging from
1913 to 1938.
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The 11.7 x 40 R cases were formed from
fired 8
x 58R Krag cases; once loaded, the heads were often stamped with a '*' to
indicate the cases were reloads.
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Below are examples of the 11.7 x 51R Danish Remington center fire
cartridge:
.HL 97
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.Crown 1908 HL
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